2017年2月23日 星期四

2月18日(周末),【漢清講堂】:討論 G. Flaubet【情感教育】曹永洋先生的推介文;張華評梁永安譯本第一章一句

《情感教育》 梁永安、張華等 2017-02-18
《情感教育》(長篇小說),法國福樓拜著,譯者梁永安; 大陸譯本(1948李建吾譯)(1980,上海譯文 )。 評論 《情感教育》─今天讀書會的主題 。…
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張華評梁永安譯本第一章一句
張華:梁永安譯筆的基本特色是文字乾淨俐落,讀來沒有疙瘩。
情感教育─今天讀書會的主題
http://www.online-literature.com/g…/sentimental-education/1/
譯者梁永安,處處有佳譯:
She resembled the women of whom he had read in romances. He would have added nothing to the charms of her person, and would have taken nothing from them. 
[比較另一個英譯本:She resembled the women of whom he had read in romances. Nothing could be added to the charms of her person, and nothing could be taken from them. ]

[法文(其實我不懂,好玩而已):Elle ressemblait aux femmes des livres romantiques. Il n'aurait voulu rien ajouter, rien retrancher à sa personne.]
她像是從她閱讀過的那些浪漫小說裡走出來。這女人的魅力加一份便太多,減一分則太少。
剛在讀書會上看到一個大陸譯本(1948李建吾譯),立判高下:
她活像浪漫主義書籍裡的婦女,他什麼也不要往她身上添,什麼也不要減。



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2月18日(周末)【漢清講堂】:向金恆鑣老師請教環保;討論 G. Flaubet【情感教育】;紀念John Berger (1926-2017) 等



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李健吾1906-82 譯本 上海譯文,1984 (據法文本,原1948出版。新譯序) ,簡稱"李本"/ :2016年有北岳文譯版
此書上頭有曹永洋先生的推介文,約2016年9月。
梁永安 譯本 台北:野人,2013/2017 (英文本) , 梁先生2014年送我與張華先生......


參考資料:

HC:
Sentimental Education 情感教育
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentimental_Education


18日的討論會 會前或可考慮將此段漢譯sentimental education
建議由張、繆合作報告

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BULLSHIT.


*這段這麼短 一分鐘就講完了




李健吾1906-82 譯本 上海譯文,1984 (據法文本,原1948出版。新譯序) ,簡稱"李本"/ :2016年有北岳文譯版
此書上頭有曹永洋先生的推介文,約2016年9月。
梁永安 譯本 台北:野人,2013/2017 (英文本) , 梁先生2014年送我與張華先生......

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此書的Introduction (By LOUISE BOGAN)值得一讀。

Sentimental Education - Page ii - Google Books Result



【包法利夫人】或是【水滸之潘金蓮】 兼論#【包法利】作者福樓拜
年前與太太去看金馬獎最佳導演馮小剛的【我不是潘金蓮】大陸人把英文片名翻譯為○【我不是包法利夫人】有文化.
關於包法利夫人,我寫過一篇長文章.「世界短篇小說之王」莫泊桑要稱呼福樓拜舅舅,其實並非真有血緣關係,莫泊桑的親舅舅很早就英年早逝,這位舅舅卻是福樓拜少年的總角之交,他在少年莫泊桑身上看到故人身影,加上莫泊桑初出茅廬就頭角崢嶸, 一八八0年以短篇小說【脂肪球】一炮而紅,念舊與惜才之心讓福樓拜因此傾全力提拔。
法國十九世紀的兩代文豪的遠親關係讓人好奇,在諾曼地盧昂這個地區,如此地靈人傑何以竟孕育出這兩枝健筆?!
其實舅甥二人都是盧昂的「市民階級」,「乾舅舅」福樓拜出身於父親是醫師(諾曼地區盧昂當地醫院院長)、母親則是出身法官家庭,是法曹的掌上明珠,可以想見福樓拜受了很好的教育。另一方面「乾外甥」莫泊桑的母親出身絲綢工廠的富有商家,與晚輩比福樓拜則可算是「仕紳世家」,地位更高,因此福樓拜非常擅長描寫中產收入的市民階級。
傳世之作【包法利夫人】其實就是描寫市民家庭難耐寂寞的少婦艾瑪包法利,如何一步步因為愛慕虛榮且紅杏出牆,終究被迫服毒自殺。而藉著一則貌似通俗劇的女性紅杏出牆的故事,福樓拜其實是不動聲色在「深描」法國地方的中上階級家庭深刻苦悶(休閒娛樂不足、無信仰)日常生活。本書書名雖為「包法利夫人」,但是第一章破題寫包法利先生在小學時候的遭遇,最後一章也在寫包法利先生,以男主人開始,以男主人結束,中間還描述了十九世紀落後的醫療技術如何草菅人命,隨便動手術刀,讓較低下的男僕原本只是跛腳變成要命的殘廢,故事在淡淡的敘述中讓人怵目驚心。
福樓拜生也早,否則諾貝爾文學獎應該少不了這位文體大師,懂法文者早已競爭相傳誦說這本小說的文體如何優美,可以為法文的範本,而據傳福樓拜為了琢磨文體和小說的故事情節,相傳不斷擅改重寫,「寫就一小段,拈斷三根鬚」。他另外一部代表作【聖安東尼的誘惑】在1874年發表時候也是苦心孤詣,三易其稿;還有一部寫於兩部長篇傑作【包法利夫人】與【情感教育】中間的【薩倫波】,又是一個奇特的傑作,其工筆溽麗如日本二十世紀初文豪芥川龍之介的【地獄變】,恐怖又艷麗:福樓拜傾全力蒐集取材自羅馬地下墳場的故事,故事內容涉及戰爭、殘暴虐待、原始宗教的資料等等,是集人性、政治、民俗等豐富材料的又一部歷史小說的大成。

2017年2月22日 星期三

【漢清講堂】2017年2月18日:紀念John Berger (1926-2017) ;【情感教育】座談會



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【漢清講堂】2017年2月下旬某日    心得分享與討論會


日期:2017年2月18日(周),10:00~ 13:00
地址:台北市新生南路三段88號2樓
電話:(02) 2365012主辦:漢清講堂

主題與方式:依照講師自選的主題,發表20~30分鐘之專論,11點有座談會


講師與主題 (依報名先後序)

1. 鍾漢清   紀念John Berger (1926-2017) 

2.0 梁永安主持  


2月份漢清講堂討論【情感教育】
說明:約半年前,曹永洋老師拿本李健吾翻譯的【情感教育】(1984,上海譯文,【李健吾之譯者序與譯註甚佳】),說要交換看永安的譯本---我忘掉有無交換。
曹老師聽說郭松棻會背李健吾翻譯的【包法利夫人】,特別注意。
所以2月份漢清講堂要請梁永安來主持討論【情感教育】,請定日期,請多參與!


2.2 鍾漢清
我將2張最重要的圖給您們參考:出自
【情感教育】的一種閱讀
Pierre Bourdieu 皮埃爾 布爾迪克
藝術的法則 文學場的生成與結構 pp.1-48
序言:作為福婁拜的分析家的福樓拜


http://hcbooks.blogspot.tw/....../pierre-bourdieu......

2.3 張華
2.4  繆詠華:......《情感教育》正是我現時的枕邊讀物,每天都稍微看一下腓德烈克有多「毀滅」「絕望」。
多謝校長安排,多謝梁教授無私分享。我一定要參加!


john berger
John Berger (1926-2017)

John Berger
(Photograph by Jean Mohr)

1973, Fellow of The Transnational Institute (TNI) 
Another Way of Telling  
John Berger, Jean Mohr
Another Way of Telling
A Possible Theory of Photography
By: John Berger, Jean Mohr
1982
- See more at: http://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/another-way-of-telling-9781408864463/#sthash.rc8ef8TB.dpuf

“A wonderful artist and thinker” –  Susan Sontag
This unique combination of words and pictures includes 230 photographs by Jean Mohr. 

It moves beyond the landmarks established by Walter Benjamin, Roland Barthes and Susan Sontag 
In one of the most eloquent accounts of photography ever devised (originally published in 1982 and unavailable for many years), the writer John Berger and the photographer Jean Mohr set out to understand the fundamental nature of photography and how it makes its impact. 

Asking a range of questions – What is a photograph? What do photographs mean? How can they be used? – they give their answers in terms of a photograph as 'a meeting place where the interests of the photographer, the photographed, the viewer and those who are using the photography are often contradictory'. From these beginnings they develop a theory of photography that has at its centre the form's essential ambiguity, arguing that photography is totally unlike a film and has nothing to do with reportage. Rather, it constitutes 'another way of telling'.

 - See more at: http://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/another-way-of-telling-9781408864463/#sthash.rc8ef8TB.dpuf

山區農民之生活與工作;照相之經驗與理論 
5部曲
“There are no photographs which can be denied. All photographs have the status of fact. What is to be examined is in what way photography can and cannot give meaning to facts.” With these words, two of our most thoughtful and eloquent interrogators of the visual offer a singular meditation on the ambiguities of what is seemingly our straightforward art form. As constructed by John Berger and the renowned Swiss photographer Jean Mohr, that theory includes images as well as words; not only analysis, but anecdote and memoir. Another Way of Telling explores the tension between the photographer and the photographed, between the picture and its viewers, between the filmed moment and the memories that it so resembles. Combining the moral vision of the critic and the practical engagement of the photographer, Berger and Moher have produced a work that expands the frontiers of criticism first charged by Walter Benjamin, Roland Barthes, and Susan Sontag.


Review
"Extraordinary... remarkable... suggestive/and/original." -- Edward Said, The Nation.

"One of the world's most influential art, critics ... Berger sees clearly with fresh surprise yet profound understanding." -- The Washington Times
From the Back Cover
'There are no photographs which can be denied. All photographs have the status of fact. what is to be examined is in what way photography can and cannot give meaning to facts.'


"一個人的人生從他死去的那一刻變成故事。"
A. S. Byatt 在《論歷史與故事》說, Walter Benjamin的 《The Storyteller》中說,"一個人的人生從他死去的那一刻變成故事。"      說故事的人,都是逝者的秘書。接過亡魂的字條,以故事向世人轉達。

John Berger, art critic and author, dies aged 90
The  real meaning of art  is dangerously emancipating.
A Smuggling Operation: John Berger’s Theory of Art
By Robert Minto


郭力昕:約翰.伯格,說故事的人
鼓舞身處困頓中的人們,「在這個沒有盡頭的無光所在,求存與抵抗,分享着同一支燭光。」

英國Complicité劇團創辦人Simon McBurney 談 John Berger
傾聽者,影像鑽研者,詩人,畫家,觀看者*。我的導師。哲學家。朋友。約翰.伯格今晨離開了我們。而今,你已無所不在。
Listener, grinder of lenses, poet, painter, seer. My Guide. Philosopher. Friend. John Berger left us this morning. Now you are everywhere.
*seer: a person of supposed supernatural insight who sees visions of the future.

Cher, a department in the Centre-Val de Loire region of France.
Quincy is an Appellation d'origine contrôlée (AOC)

Why we still need John Berger’s Ways of Seeing

Detail from The Judgement of Paris, Lucas Cranach the Elder, 1530. Victoria's Secret branding image, 2012
he helped to kickstart a quiet revolution in the way we view the world around us. He encouraged us to question the images which have been the foundation of our culture. That is a truly worthy legacy – and one we must continue.

The Seasons in Quincy: Four Portraits of John Berger, 2016
https://vimeo.com/148352867
This is "TRAILER - The Seasons in Quincy: Four Portraits of John Berger" by Bartek Dziadosz on Vimeo,

Landscapes: John Berger on Art
By John Berger

Tom Overton and Verso, 2016

If art ... why does its power to move us endure long after the base has been transformed?
 Why, asked Marx, do we still look towards Greek art as an ideal? 
If art in the last analysis is a superstructure of an economic base,

 Berger’s documentary, Ways of Seeing.
Walter Benjamin wrote the essay “Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction” 

Max Raphael ( 1889 – 1952), German-American art historian. ..Fellowships awarded by the Bollingen Foundation
Zur Erkenntnistheorie der konkreten Dialektik, 1934, French translation
Prehistoric Cave Paintings, New York, Pantheon, 1945, Bollingen Series, no. 4.
Prehistoric Pottery and Civilization in Egypt, New York, Pantheon, 1947, Bollingen Series, no. 8.
The Demands of Art, Princeton University Press, 1968 (posthumous), Bollingen Series, no. 78.



“The function of the work of art is is to lead us from the work to the process of creation which it contains.”
he asks us to imagine the artist at work
the artist turns raw material into artistic material by shaping it to represent an idea or an object; the artist turns his perception into something external and objective, a representation

For Berger, art criticism is a revolutionary practice. 
It prepares the ground for a new society.
How to begin? Berger answers: In art. There we find proof and prophecy of a different world.
by Berger and Anya Rostock of a poem by Bertolt Brecht. It includes this passage:
Yet how to begin? How to show
The living together of men
That it may be understood
And become a world that can be mastered?
How to reveal not only yourselves and others
Floundering in the net
But also make clear how the net of fate
Is knotted and cast,
Cast and knotted by men?
[…] only he who knows that the fate of man is man
Can see his fellow men keenly with accuracy.


art is valuable ...bodies forth the vision of an artist...vs.  art is property
the art world has hosted a titanic battle

art is valuable because it bodies forth the vision of an artist; it is a good in itself just to the degree that it succeeds at this task

Painting is especially well suited to developing our historical and evolutionary self-consciousness.



2017年2月17日 星期五

2月18日(周末)【漢清講堂】:向金恆鑣老師請教環保;討論 G. Flaubet【情感教育】;紀念John Berger (1926-2017) 等

感謝:曹永洋、金恆鑣、梁永安、繆詠華、張華、李元璋、陳文發等先生、女士參與:



2月18日討論的是福婁拜的【情感教育】和我的【紀念John Berger】。就我而言,有一條小線索:社會學家的評介:前者是法國【藝術法則】中的說法,後者是英國的博士論文/書:Modernity as Exile: The Stranger in John Berger's Writing。
台灣的台大哲學系和交大,跟法國的學人每年異地交流,我在台大聽過一次,所以不會覺得哲學、科學、文藝等綜合討論的方式很奇怪。



Walter Benjamin wrote the essay “Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction”"機械複製時代中的藝術作品"要義闡述/John Berger原著;互互譯,台北:電影欣賞(第六卷),1988
 Berger’s documentary, Ways of Seeing 1972. 書中特別推薦此篇論文。
John Berger與Walter Benjamin 兩人都寫過【說故事的人】文章,性質差很大。
John Berger的老友 Ernst Fischer (1899–1972) 在The Necessity of Art.1959/1971/2010 就提到Walter Benjamin 論波特萊爾;2010年的新版,由John Berger寫 Introduction,詳細"紀錄" Ernst Fischer 死亡當天(1972)的情形。
真正影響John Berger的藝術思想的,是Max Raphael ( 1889 – 1952), German-American art historian. ..Fellowships awarded by the Bollingen Foundation,希望讀者讀讀Wikipedia 中關於他的詞條。

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【漢清講堂】2017年的第2堂

日期:2月18日(周),10:00~ 13:00
地址:台北市新生南路三段88號2樓
電話:(02) 2365012主辦:漢清講堂

主題:紀念John Berger (1926-2017) 、討論 G. Flaubet【情感教育】
方式

Program

向金恆鑣老師請教環保

紀念John Berger (1926-2017)     鍾漢清

討論 G. Flaubet【情感教育】    梁永安、繆詠華、張華、鍾漢清、曹永洋




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This anthology of short films, including one directed by Oscar®-winning actress Tilda Swinton, examines the life and work of British painter and art critic John Berger, who abandoned his metropolitan artistic life to become a farmer.

The leftist sympathies and sociological interests of British painter and art critic John Berger, now 89, were so fervent that in the mid-'70s he relocated to France's Haute-Savoie region to embark on a second career as a farmer. Prior to this, his 1972 TV series/book "Ways of Seeing" explored the intersection of art and politics, especially gender politics, by examining the visual depiction of culture in works from Old Master oils to modern advertising photography. Now Berger is himself the subject, in a tetralogy of shorts—a format referring to both "Ways of Seeing"'s four-part structure and to the changing seasons, experienced in depth as only one working the land can. Tilda Swinton, Bartek Dziadosz, Christopher Roth, and Colin MacCabe are the four collaborating directors. "Ways of Listening" presents an intimate kitchen chat between Berger and Swinton. In "Spring,"  Berger's writings about animals lead to a contemplation of life cycles and death. "A Song for Politics" gathers young left-wing scholars for a discussion, intercut with found footage of agricultural work and traditional labor songs. "Harvest" includes Swinton's and Berger's children for ruminations on generational change and the slow passing of pastoral traditions. All this is set against lavishly shot Alpine scenery, the beauty of which makes Berger's devotion to this quiet and fading way of life all the more bittersweet.

The Seasons in Quincy 1080p WEB-DL DD5.1 H.264.mkv.mp4



John Berger (1926-2017): Ways of Seeing; "The Success and Failure of Picasso" ; Art and Revolution: Ernst Neizvestny;《約定》Keeping a Rendezvous ;《講故事的人》(The Storyteller);
JOHN BERGER1926-2017與 Walter Benjamin:說故事的人
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R.I.P. John Berger.....
有著藝評家、小說家、詩人與畫家等多重身份,並影響了一代人觀看與思考方式的作家——John Berger,於1月2日辭世,享年90歲。
1926年,Berger出生於英國倫敦,在牛津一所公立學校St Edward's School接受教育,1944年至1946年在英國軍隊服役,退伍後曾於倫敦的藝術學校Chelsea School of Art和Central School of Art就讀。
Berger最初以繪畫為業,在1940年代末至50年代中期曾教授繪畫,並開始於左翼政論雜誌《New Statesman》撰寫藝術評論文章,他的第一本小說《A Painter of Our Time》發表於1958年。Berger秉持的馬克思主義人道精神在對現代藝術的書寫上起初曾為他引來爭議,他的早期文集《Permanent Red》(1960)說明了他的政治思維,Berger批判資本主義終生未改其志,自始至終是一個左翼公共知識份子。
1972年,Berger參與製作了電視節目《Ways of Seeing》討論影像的閱讀思考,在英國公共電視台BBC播出並出版成書,成為藝術評論的經典之作。同年,他以第一次世界大戰戰前的歐洲作為背景的小說《G.》獲頒英國文學界的重要獎項布克獎(Booker Prize)和布萊克紀念獎(James Tait Black Memorial Prize)。在接受布克獎時,他將一半獎金捐給了支持黑人民族主義運動與社會主義運動的英國黑豹黨(Black Panther Party),另一半獎金則投入他與攝影師Jean Mohr關於歐洲移工的研究與寫作計畫,後來出版為《A Seventh Man》(1975),成為著名的勞工報導代表作。兩人並於1982年再合作出版了《Another Way of Telling》一本收錄著山區農民勞動生活照片並探討攝影敘事與照片本質意涵的重要影像論述。其他如《About Looking》(1980)、《Why Look at Animals》(2009)等也是Berger思索藝術與社會關係的代表作品。
Berger晚年居住在阿爾卑斯山腳下的一個法國小村莊裡,過著傳統簡樸的山居生活,仍持續發表評論與著作,有多本文集與詩集出版。2017年1月2日辭世。
(Photograph by Jean Mohr)
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Voices of Photography 攝影之聲
www.vopmagazine.com




Stand News 立場新聞

藝術評論大師John Berger逝世 享年90歲

2017/1/3 — 7:46
名著 Ways of Seeing 作者、英國藝評人 John Berger 昨日於法國巴黎逝世,享年 90 歲。
曾出版 John Berger 多部著作的出版社 Verso Books 在 twitter 證實這個消息。
其最有名的著作≪觀看的方式 (Ways of Seeing)≫,堪稱文化研究及藝術評論必讀書籍。此作起初是 1972 年 BBC 一輯四部節目,其後他把節目內容改編為書。著作深入分析人類觀看藝術的視角,跳出單純的「欣賞」框架,進而分析美醜背後的權力及文化關係,改變了整代人觀看事物的方法。他的不少語錄,如「男人注視女人,女人看自己被男人注視」,「攝影就是一種記憶。照片,與人的記憶,都同等依賴並對抗時間的流逝」,均廣為世界各地藝評人引用。
我們用言語解釋這個世界,但言語永遠無法還原這個事實:世界包圍著我們。我們看到的世界與我們知道的世界,兩者間的關係從未確定。(John Berger)
除藝術評論外,John Berger 亦有不少重要著作。其小說 G. 就贏得 1972 年的布克獎 (Booker Prize) 。
不少藝術及文化工作者在 John Berger 死後發 twitter 表達對他的尊敬。藝術家 David Shrigley 稱他是「史上最佳藝術作者」,作家 Jeanette Winterson 稱他是在「枯竭的世界中之能量泉源」。
John Berger 1926 年生於英國倫敦。他曾在二戰末期(1944 至 1946)服役英軍,其後入讀切爾西藝術與設計學院及倫敦中央藝術與設計學校(該校 1989 年與聖馬丁藝術學合併成現時知名的中央聖馬丁藝術與設計學院)。1940 年代末,他以畫家身份出道,曾舉辦多次展覽。
1952 年,他開始替《新政治家》雜誌撰稿,並很快的以一位馬克思主義的藝術評論家身分竄起。1958 年,他出版其小說處女作,≪我們時代的畫家 (A Painter of Our Time)≫。此外他亦有其他創作如劇本、詩歌等。1972 年是其事業巔峰。那一年,BBC 的節目 Ways of Seeing 及由之引申的同名書籍,是 John Berger 最著名的作品;同年發表的小說 G. 亦為他贏得布克獎及英國最古老的文學獎「詹姆斯·泰特·布萊克紀念獎 (The James Tait Black Memorial Prize)」。當時他把前者的一半獎金捐給人權運動組織。
其最新小說作品,是 2008 年的 From A to X。去年,他出版了文集 Confabulations。一部由 Tilda Swinton 製作、以 John Berger 為題的紀錄片 The Seasons in Quincy: Four Portraits of John Berger 亦於去年 8 月推出。不料事隔未夠半年,大師便溘然長逝。


John Peter Berger was an English art critic, novelist, painter and poet. His novel G. won the 1972 Booker Prize, and his essay on art criticism Ways of Seeing, written as an accompaniment to a BBC series, is often used as a university text.Wikipedia



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John Berger on Trump’s win
In such a climate, somebody who is actually saying something, who seems to suggest that there may be a connection between what he said and what he will do, such a person is a way out of a vacuous nightmare—even if the way out is dangerous or vicious… The less hot air you make and the more tangible you are the better chance you have at this moment.
John Berger on the American electorate’s anger towards the elite
They are angry at the elite not because it’s the elite in the old fashion way—the elites have always been criticizable or suspected—but because it’s the elite that talks and talks and talks and there is no connection between his talk and his actions and what is really happening in the world. So it’s a kind of elitism which is an abstraction.
John Berger on what keeps him going
The next job, the next task. Because I’m always so involved and also collaborating in many, many ways with many different people on many different levels. So what keeps me going is the next page.

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Celebrating John Berger (1926-2017) and his legacy. Our piece today becomes a fitting tribute:



Robert Minto examines the theory of art expounded in “Landscapes: John…
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"The modern illusion concerning painting (which post-modernism has done nothing to correct) is that the artist is the creator. Rather he is a receiver. What seems like creation is the act of giving form to what he has received." ~ John Berger (The Shape of a Pocket)
Below, an article on Berger's life and work that was published in Oct.



Berger, now 90, has changed his life so radically and so often because he cannot bear idle conversation by Colin MacCabe / October 13, 2016 / Leave…
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“The relation between what we see and what we know is never settled. Each evening we see the sun set. We know that the earth is turning away from it. Yet the knowledge, the explanation, never quite fits the sight.” - John Berger, "Ways of Seeing"
John Berger, art critic and the author of "Ways of Seeing," has passed. Learn about his work via The Guardianhttp://mo.ma/2irohQn

Critic whose TV series Ways of Seeing posed questions about art and society, and a writer whose fiction reflected his life in rural France
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